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Humiliation. he wasn't poor. he went to college, had a degree in computers. it seems like there's no boundaries anymore for somebody who actually may be attracted to this stuff. >> well yes, anderson. i've written a piece for one of the national newspapers "the guardian" comparing it to racism. whether educated or not, it's an excuse for their own insecurities and islamist ideology is the same. not only graduated from westminster in london but others who controlled the student union, not just the islamic society but the student union in that university were affiliated with my own former organi...

Maajid nawaz was in and now joining us, with former fbi counter terrorism official philip mudd. they've known for a while and keep it on the down low. now it's out there, does it that make easier or harder to capture him? >> i don't think capture is likely. first, get the intelligence not only where he is today but where he is tomorrow and second, take the risk of putting somebody -- i suspect over time, he will be identified and killed either by u.s. forces, a syrian striker by fight inging by extremist groups, and i cannot imagine despite what the white house says bringing him back for justi...