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Joining me now is retired u.s. army colonel jack jacobs, a medal of honor recipient. colonel, let's start with something you know with the. that's the issue of isis and terrorism. brett mcgurk. how unique was he in his role? and will this be able to be supplanted? is there somebody that will fill this role well? >> well, he wasn't unique in his experience but he was very, very good at what he did. and the real question is not whether or not you can get somebody in there who is like mcgurk or who has his experience or capability but whether or not there's anybody out there who would take the jo...

Ira wrote "samuel adams, a life." and i read this. i remember bringing it in and saying my gosh, i bring it into work every day and i read it to people and say did you know this? and those are my paintings, these are copies of them. that's the reason why sam adams' faith is because of your book. it's amazing. we have david barton here from wall builders and i want to just -- i want to spend some time just getting to know this guy a little bit. first of all, did you know who you were going to find when you started doing research for your book? >> well, i had a vague idea that he was one of the ...

And they were like the israelites fleeing slavery in egypt. >> yeah. it was amazing, david. but he wasn't unique in that, but he was probably the leader or the most -- >> he was probably the leader. the british called him the pumet master. they knew he was behind things and that's why they noted has body. the the the order was find him, find hancock, kill him. if we kill these guys, we will save this thing. >> glenn: separation of church and state, not a religious -- that's the big lie here. we are. these guys all defended religion? >> yeah. >> glenn: people would say, no, you are not going to...

Fleeing slavery in egypt. we lost 200 soldiers. >> glenn: it was amazing. 500 wounded, 400 captured. david, he wasn't unique in that, was he? but he was the leader at the time? >> probably the leader. the british actually called him the puppetmaster and they we only had 14,000 troops. knew he was behind things and that is a huge defeat. that's why they wanted his the troops after this defeat body. the order you read was find were like you know what? him, find hancock and kill we're on the wrong side. we're losing. them. if we can get if guys killed i don't want to die. the troops deserted and ...