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Who? who shot ashli babbitt? we all saw the hand. we saw the gun. >> of course the doj ruled the officer acted in self defense, that's obvious for those watching the clip. what's your take on why this rift is being repeated by ex-president trump. >> listen, this is not true. seth rich, this president will exploit anything, anything, even the tragic death of his own supporter, to promote himself. it's horrific, it's grotesque not at all surprising. >> what do you think is behind it, though? >> again, it's -- i think to a point trumpism, the head space, let's see how far i can go. what can i con...

And i would hope that there are people there, but you speak to every single expert, and the possibility is just not there. >> listen, we all get it. here is my head space on it. i'll hold out for a miracle because there is no downside to doing it. >> hold out for a miracle. i agree. >> i don't think that's being abusive of the victims. they hold their own head and heart. i'm not holding out am miracle for answers. that is about pressure and time and we are learning there were things to know, and there is a system at a minimum that did not work well enough here about inspections, safety, and fo...

If you want to know why, just listen to what members of his own party are saying about what the white house is selling as a major legislative win. >> way too small. paltry. pathetic. >> i'm never overly optimistic about deals here. >> i think that a bipartisan deal alone is pretty dead in the water. >> it's never going to be enough for aoc and the left wing of that party. but how done is this deal? let's take it to the better mind of james carville. welcome back. you know, this idea that we got a deal done here but now you've got all these democrats, bernie sanders talking about wanting $6 tri...

Let's take it to the better mind of james carville. welcome back. you know, this idea that we got a deal done here but now you've got all these democrats, bernie sanders talking about wanting $6 trillion on the next bill. joe manchin saying that's never going to happen. he's open to reconciliation because the republicans aren't dealing in good faith and won't vote against any tax measures because mitch mcconnell won't let them. what are we seeing here? are the democrats in the right head space? jim? >> well, what's happening, what you're seeing, chris, is you're seeing legislative posturing. s...

All the efforts are focused on life-saving rescue and then recovery. there will be a time to figure out when this building came down. in my 40 years, i've never seen a collapse like this, that didn't involve some sort of, you know, earthquake or something else. and so this is really a unique type of collapse and just a tragic event. >> talk through what this is like for the actual men and women on the ground. they are very clearly putting themselves in harm's way to try to conduct this search and rescue operation. what is that like as far as the head space that they go into something like this...