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Do you talk to folks? how do you think about people that didn't vote in that last election? >> i think it's about having an open dialogue, and actually listening to what people have to say instead of projecting your views on people. and i feel like we've had a major disconnection with listening and actually listening with the intent of hearing them out. and trying to figure out what are ways that we can improve our political system, whether you're a democrat or not, so we can actually be inclusive and people will willfully vote for you instead of you having to guilt trip them. >> how about you...

Necessarily what's on these recordings that could be damaging. it's the backstory behind the recordings. that could potentially make michael cohen a very valuable witness should he choose to cooperate. because he could provide valuable context for these recordings. there's a lot of questions raised, we're not sure who is saying what or why somebody is saying something. michael cohen can provide that context should he choose to do so with prosecutors. >> what are people telling you about his head space? when i think back to the campaign, there was not a more ardent supporter, outspoken surrogat...

Agreement, and it's somewhat unclear as to exactly what the parameters are. did they just pertain to the documents or a broader defense agreement. the reason why that's important and this agreement is important it is means they are sharing attorney-client privilege information, their strategy. they're working together. in they don't have something like that, and they break with something like that, that means that however is breaking it is going off on their own route, and that almost always means cooperation. the bottom line, ali, there are a number of different signs that michael cohen is co...

Sign when someone is thinking about cooperating. but this joint defense agreement, and it's somewhat unclear as to exactly what the parameters are. did they just pertain to the documents or a broader defense agreement. the reason why that's important and this agreement is important it is means they are sharing attorney-client privilege information, their strategy. they're working together. in they don't have something like that, and they break with something like that, that means that however is breaking it is going off on their own route, and that almost always means cooperation. the bottom l...

Like that, and they break with something like that, that means that however is breaking it is going off on their own route, and that almost always means cooperation. the bottom line, ali, there are a number of different signs that michael cohen is considering cooperating. and in my experience, when someone gets in the head space where cooperation is something that they're thinking about, they usually cooperate. the people who don't cooperate are the ones who are determined not to from the get-go. and we're not seeing that with michael cohen. so i would expect that at some point in the relative...