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We talked about the enormous refugee crisis there. what are you seeing? >> another rush throughout. it was throughout friday. women and children trying to get out of kyiv as the heavy shelling of the city continued. and then in the villages, that i mentioned up to the northwest, we've seen pictures of homes. these are ordinary people's homes on fire. people running from them. so, the flood of refugees is absolutely going to continue. they're jumping on those trains. they're getting in vehicles and on buses and heading west, mainly the majority of them. more than half towards the border with po...

Will be on europe of this new refugee crisis? >> right now, the europeans are saying the right things and doing the right things by the ukrainian people, particularly neighboring countries, poland most of all, the same poland that treated afghan refugees very, very differently. now, how long will they do this? how long can they sustain this? we're already past the 3, 4 million mark. 10 million ukrainians fled their homes. nearly 4 million have fled the country and they're all heading west. can the europeans continue, will the europeans continue to be this hospitable when those numbers increase...

Invasion. is it possible to assess how many people have left? how many people have chosen to stay? i think it is hard to — people have chosen to stay? i think it is hard to have _ people have chosen to stay? i think it is hard to have statistical- it is hard to have statistical certainty. i think no one is really counting. we had more than a week ago from the maia who said a little less than 2 million have left. this was a city of 2.8 million, 3 million thriving before the invasion. but we can see it when we go about. we go to the railway platform, the trains heading west, the railway platfo...

Gordon corera at the foreign office in london. but first to our chief international correspondent lyse doucet, who is in the capital of ukraine, kyiv, for us now. and as fighting continues on the outskirts of the city, we heard the mayor of kyiv say today that more than two million people have now fled from there? it must be hard to have any statistical certainty about what has happened to this city, what was a thriving european capital of some 3 million people, but day by day we see all the signs. in the bomb shelters people are no longer mattress to mattress, we see in the underground metro ...

The direction of those shells. >> absolutely. that's now pointing towards the center of kyiv. and to a range, this is a typical piece of russian artillery, of approximately ten miles, 16 kilometers could reach into the center of kyiv and this is now what is being used to, let's be blunt, terrorize the civilian population of kyiv. >> and we can see from the next one, the civilian population, traffic heading west, out through the center, and now out to the west side, fleeing the area but the civilians are trying to get out of the way. >> indeed. and we could have shown pictures, you have exactly...