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Criminal, controversial issues are resolved by bargaining, power, bribery, deceit, betrayal and other mechanisms from real life, not by some kind of law. joining me now is daniel roar, director of the os scar award winning film navalny. great to talk to you. very concerned about how alexy nac navalny is doing. do you know how he s doing? well, look, navalny s in prison, nihe s in solitary confi confinement, he s doing as well as you can imagine. his spirit is indistinguishable, it cannot be put out. it s unbelievable his resilience, and that s the headline note. that s what we see despite the darkness, navalny is a shimmering light for the russian people. that s what i think is so rema remarkable. and prosecutors want navalny to spend two decades, he s already serving an 11 year sentence for fraud, the russians ....