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Over time, you are going to get strong and big. i mean, you're going to get strong and big no matter what naturally but steroids is a short cut to get there faster and yeah, he got healed and mark, you know, healthy mark will hit a lot of home runs. >> he is a healthy mark that cheated and now holds records in major league baseball and wasn't honest two months ago. do you believe jay mcgwire, he hit 70 home run marks and all his totals should be taken away? >> i don't know about that. i mean, i know how hard mark worked. you know, i mean -- >> you work hard because you're cheating because you'...

Author, jay mcguire. he wrote the book "mark and me." jay, thanks for joining us. and it's early out in los angeles. jay, first off, what are your thoughts about the quote we just heard? >> mark, he's always hitting home runs since he was a kid so i know he would hit a lot of home runs but i don't know -- he hit 70 but i know he would have continued to hit a lot more home runs in his career. >> as long as he's healthy, mark can hit a lot of home runs. >> but jay, as you write in your book, he put on 30 pounds of muscle. it's not conceivable to think he would have that kind of success without t...

He had to be able to make a decision for himself. and i was the one that influenced him and said there's nothing to lose here, mark. i mean, you got to -- he was on the borderline of, you know, maybe retiring. so he had to make a decision. and at the time, i thought it was the right decision for him. >> now what do you think? >> looking back, no, it's not. this is why this story is powerful because it's talking about my story and what happened to me. how i got involved in steroids. how long i took them and eventually led me in the dark place of depression that basically i cried out to god one ...

Taking this action. in the book, it goes in detail of how -- about we did everything, you know, and i don't know why he's telling everyone that the purposes, everybody knows the effect of steroid use and the strength and endurance you're going to get. mark has a big heart and i don't understand why he's taking that stance. >> why he's staying the stance. here's what he says to you exactly. "i don't plan on ever seeing him again. you try to be a good person, you try to take care of somebody, be a good brother, it's sort of sad. it's a sad day for my family. i don't know how a family member coul...