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That there are too many men that sit around and are quiet about the things that they see that they have access to that women don't have access to. and so he's saying, i was there are, i had unique access, and i can tell you things other people can't tell you. why hasn't the fbi talked to him? >> do you think, david, or -- if the details of what the fbi learned will become public and if so, how quickly? i assume through leaks is the way they would become public. >> if they get reported 8:30, 8:45, you may well start hearing things. it's going to be selected. this is so important to the country....

Willing to speak up. i don't think he was specific about this, but there really aren't very many men. and so when women talk about wanting to have allies, that's what they're talking about. that there are too many men that sit around and are quiet about the things that they see that they have access to that women don't have access to. and so he's saying, i was there are, i had unique access, and i can tell you things other people can't tell you. why hasn't the fbi talked to him? >> do you think, david, or -- if the details of what the fbi learned will become public and if so, how quickly? i as...

Georgia. they are developing a center of excellence, putting together a strategy, and they recognize this is now going to be very much a part of our national defense. >> dana: you think that is -- but nato should address that absolutely. there's no question that at least for the russians and the chinese they viewed the cyber domain as part of the tool box for waging war. we have to be able to meet them on the same terms. >> dana: we would consider an attack on one as an attack on all? >> if it rose to the level of a warfare. now that doesn't mean every time you steal data or you spy it's warfa...

By the president. so let's say for the sake of this discussion he's the prosecutor, i don't know. for the sake of this discussion if he ends up with state charges and they go to a man with a family with state charges, he may sound like the baptist choir in my church. >> and you do know him because you know all of them, do you think he'll flip or not? >> he's the guy that fixes things. when i was on the air reading up about birtherism he would say he's not a racist. come meet with him. he's not from the neighborhood. he's not the kind of guy that will say i'll go do three, four, five years for ...

>> what about the idea of a lawyer who tapes these kinds of conversations as a matter of practice. as a layman looking at this, you never want anything on tape because you knnever know. is that common? are you aware of lawyers that do this? >> it's highly unusual and it seems risky. you never know who will end occupy hearing things. if it's not kept confidential, it's no longer privileged. not everything he recorded is going to be privileged because it's not all for the purpose of getting legal advice. still seems like a risky proposition especially when you're talking to someone with as much ...