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Only bringing forth hearsay. you don't have any firsthand information. we know there are three people who know exactly what happened. one is named giuliani. one is the guys -- chief of staff mulvaney and the third is -- >> bolton. >> bolton. and what's happened here? they all three have been called. the president said no, you must not talk. so the republicans then come up and say well you only have hearsay. well, come on. stop treating us so stupidly like we're children. >> the other argument on the hearsay thing is there were a lot of folks doing a lot of somersaults in order to execute the p...

But to rise to the most grave action you can take in our system against the president of the united states, especially on the eve of an election makes almost all of them uncomfortable. we just don't use impeachment like this. and so they don't -- >> really? >> they don't believe, they don't believe that what he did should be -- especially because we're on the eve of another political remedy. >> so if we weren't on the eve of an election, you're saying they would support impeachment? >> i'm saying that in the clinton instance, there was no remedy. it was in a second term. so that made it more l...

>> really? >> they don't believe, they don't believe that what he did should be -- especially because we're on the eve of another political remedy. >> so if we weren't on the eve of an election, you're saying they would support impeachment? >> i'm saying that in the clinton instance, there was no remedy. it was in a second term. so that made it more likely if you wanted to try to remedy. in this case there is a remedy that doesn't take it out of the hands of the american people. >> but the constitution doesn't say unless an election is less than a year away. the constitution says you should be...

You don't have any firsthand information. we know there are three people who know exactly what happened. one is named giuliani. one is the guys -- chief of staff mulvaney and the third is -- >> bolton. >> bolton. and what's happened here? they all three have been called. the president said no, you must not talk. so the republicans then come up and say well you only have hearsay. well, come on. stop treating us so stupidly like we're children. >> the other argument on the hearsay thing is there were a lot of folks doing a lot of somersaults in order to execute the president's policy. and so if ...

Because he was on the phone. we don't think there's a taping system so -- and also there's a question of even if a tape that is transcribed is not hearsay, but there are all kinds of exceptions. there are more exceptions to the hearsay rule and it's admitted in more instances in court every day than there are inbe stances where it's blocked. >> and they're saying that his opening statements that was released as a leak, it's in the a leak. his opening statement is pretty damning. this morrison thing, guy, this will be the first time we've heard from someone who is actually on the call. how big ...