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And nikki haley saw advantage for themselves in having this moment. tying themselves to each other, both for the current moment and for their political futures. the praise that nikki haley heaped upon the president, his vision, and his family, which was so interesting to hear her talk about melania trump and then at great length about jared kushner and ivanka trump as these behind the scenes masters and geniuses in the administration who go unnoticed. that plays right into the president's heart strings. there's nothing he likes to hear more than that. so she was effusive, as you said, kate, in...

Merely state something that is not a fact. criminologists and the justice department have looked into this until they're blue in the face and the simple fact is this tactic does not work and he's not being completely candid or truthful about what is better for the public and law enforcement. >> he's straight up lying when it comes to facts. but he is addressing a cultural issue that pulls at people's heart strings. then what is an effective path forward for jeff sessions now? >> the problem with jeff sessions is he's torn between needing to impress the president and keep his job and actually, ...

Narrow audience. this is not aimed at everybody in the country. this is aimed at four people, the four people you showed, manchin, murkowski, flake and collins. and i would say manchin is kind of the fourth out of those four. it's knows three republicans. >> the testimony last week was aimed at the guy in the white house. >> yeah. i think what this op-ed is is you want to try to the extent that he hears, he kavanaugh and the white house more broadly hears there's still some worry about your temperament, the way in which you present yourself. matt damon on saturday night live" turned this into ...

This is not aimed at everybody in the country. this is aimed at four people, the four people you showed, manchin, murkowski, flake and collins. and i would say manchin is kind of the fourth out of those four. it's really aimed at those three republicans. >> the testimony last week was aimed at the guy in the white house. >> yeah. i think what this op-ed is is you want to try to, to the extent that he hears, he kavanaugh and the white house more broadly hears, there's still some worry about sort of your temperament, the way in which you present yourself. matt damon on "saturday night live" sort...

>> well, based on just the views and the way that people were paying attention to it as it was flying and it was having difficulty being torn apart, i knew it would pull at the heart strings like it did mine. brian: mike, now the flag seems to be in the news all the time. what does it mean for you and your family? >> well, again, our brother kevin was -- he was an incredible man, he never lost his composure even in the most difficult of times through his life. and that's the way we try to live ourselves. he battled through many, many situations and you know we all face battles in our lives and...