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It occurred to me as i watched these town halls. they're not even defending a specific thing. people are saying this is what the aca has done for me, this is the status q i want to protect. there's some ways in which that hurts them because they don't have anything to point to. but they also don't have to defend the specifics of something. legislation is messy, there's going to be parts of it people don't like. remember the death panel mythology of the affordable care act, right? >> sure, sure. >> so it strikes me that in some ways it almost gets almost more difficult once they're actually def...

>> seems like betsy devos may not be the most popular secretary of education. so i would -- if you feel that strongly about the secretary of education, maybe the department of education has too much power. >> so yeah, tom, that's the wrong takeaway from those jeers in the crowd. >> ideological fidelity i guess -- >> he knew how to read the room. he clearly got it. >> he got it early on in the town hall but there's a situation where you know, there was real mobilization around her, it is sustained now and you know it seems to me this is something if they try to do anything with education, the c...

There's another saying i'll throw out there. there's a football saying, famous football saying that says when you have quarterbacks, you really have known. and i think that plays into what the republicans are dealing with. they have so many plans or i think the white house is working on something that they really don't have anything at all and one thing -- and i've said this many times -- i think the republicans have been able to do something that democrats were not -- were not able to do in six, seven years which is actually make obamacare important. >> yup. >> and that's what they did. >> th...