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Something he didn't want to hear, which is you should not go in and talk to the special counsel robert mueller, that would be a bad idea. you know, we're seeing across the board all these personnel changes. that's what's happening. if you disagree with the president. >> ted olson, the white shoe attorney, veteran washington lawyer, he said no thanks to president trump this week. that was the most revealing moment. we scooped it at "the washington post." all these lawyers don't want to come in. it's not just because of conflicts, it's because of the political risk. they tell you privately it's ...

Held, raised serious constitutional questions, that's a problem. that's a real problem. >> how much does intent matter? i think that's -- it's something you said to me the last time we spoke, it stuck with me. the intent alone canender something unconstitutional. a policy that would be perfectly fine if the intent was to discriminate can be render eed fully unconstitutional simply because it's motivated out of unconstitutional animus or desire to discriminate. >> that's absolutely true. that is an accurate statement of the law. i don't remember if i used this example last time or not but an ex...

Don't have anything at all and one thing -- and i've said this many times -- i think the republicans have been able to do something that democrats were not -- were not able to do in six, seven years which is actually make obamacare important. >> yup. >> and that's what they did. >> they made it important and popular or at least above water for the first time basically in the history of the legislation. karine jean-pierre and david jolly, thank you for being with me. >> good to be with you, chris. michael moore will be here to talk about resistance in the trump era. why he wants you, yes you ...

Event where people proclaimed they weren't paid to be there. >> i think some people are clearly upset but there is a bit of professional protester manufactured base in there. but they're obviously people that are upset but i also think that when you look at some of these districts and some of these things that it is not a representation of a member's district or an incident. it is a loud group -- small group of people disrupting something in many cases for dia attention. no offense. it's just -- ink that's -- that necessarily just because they're loud doesn't necessarily mean there are many. >...

Look, at a very basic human level obamacare has subsidized something for the american people and if republicans say we're going back to strictly private markets, there are people in are going to lose as a result of that. and that's why republicans are having a tough time messaging this. >> to that point, vice president today tweeting about individual responsibility. we're going to restheer ore tha the health care market. do you want individual responsibility as an ordering principal when someone has breast cancer or is born with a congenital disease? the same thing with paul ryan talking about...