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It was an astounding scene. it's a low bar that a member of the united states senate faces constituents. everyone should do that as a matter of democratic practice but hat tip to those who clear the low bar, including the senator in arkansas who is a quite composed individual. my question is, there's something about what spicer said that's true,ight? the people in that room don't represent the broad spectrum of arkansas public opinion. the question is, how much does that actually matter? >> well, i would have to say this. i mean, majority to the congressman's point. of voters did not vote for ...

>> seems like betsy devos may not be the most popular secretary of education. so i would -- if you feel that strongly about the secretary of education, maybe the department of education has too much power. >> so yeah, tom, that's the wrong takeaway from those jeers in the crowd. >> ideological fidelity i guess >> he knew how to read the room. he clearly got it. >> he got it early on in the town hall but there's a situation where you know, there was real mobilization around her, it is sustained now and you know it seems to me this is something if they try to do anything with education, the capi...

Of education is generally not a super high well-known position. >> everybody knows her name. >> everyone knows her name, huge amounts of interest. >> quick name that secretary of education in george w. bush. i can't either. >> heather something, she's from texas. >> all right, you went to college. not fair, you have a degree. >> ding, yes. >> you know what i'm saying you're right. nobody knew now everybody knows we have a secretary of education that has never entered a public school. >> someone in the control room was telling me ficas plant. watch tom cotton get a question about betsy devos be...

Justice department, now a senior policy analyst of the society foundation. first let's talk about this -- the justice department rescinding this. this was -- the administration giving schools guidelines basically to what they said was obey the law, title ix, which protects against discrimination for students. title ix is still there. so this is ultimately going to be decided by the courts, right? >> yes, there's a case in virginia now, as you know, chris, where the issue is whether or not a student who is -- presents as male, a male student who was born not a male but now presents as a mail sh...

These things that it is not a representation of a member's district or an incident. it is a loud group -- small group of people disrupting something in many cases for media attention. no offense. it's just -- i think that's -- that necessarily just because they're loud doesn't necessarily mean there are many. >> i'm joined by carin jean-pierre and david jolly, former republican congressman from florida. david, let me start with you. this whole idea that, well, they're organized or so-called anger. this is like the way politics works, right? we can all agree that maybe they're not representativ...