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Environment, wouldn't spending more and the president's plan make inflation worse? >> it boggles the mind. economics 101 and 201 says if you keep priming the pump, inflation keeps going higher. we are not at the point where it's completely out of control. but if they keep going this route, we are may end up that way. and all this talk about interest ratings staying down at 1% or 2%, we may see them at 5%. and then all heck breaks loose in the economy. i have to add the other component. to think businesses in the consumer, ordinary americans that had to deal with two years of a pandemic that is...

White house. i don't know if we know what the ramifications of a shutdown would be or will be if there is one. >> we don't. i think there are some fairly clear guidelines that he has to follow. i just wish he would get involved. this is a -- this is really a crisis. >> greta: if he's not involved, why do you think he's not involved? >> because i believe he would like the government to shutdown, because it is the only way he can turn this back in his favor. the american people made a clear statement in november. that's why i'm sitting here talking to you. they want government cut. and they want...

The ramifications of a shutdown would be or will be if there is one. >> we don't. i think there are some fairly clear guidelines that he has to follow. i just wish he would get involved. this is a -- this is really a crisis. >> greta: if he's not involved, why do you think he's not involved? >> because i believe he would like the government to shutdown, because it is the only way he can turn this back in his favor. the american people made a clear statement in november. that's why i'm sitting here talking to you. they want government cut. and they want the private economy grown. he understands...