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[ laughter ] but. >> but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> then don't take four over four minutes then. >> the debate was moderated by martha raddatz. vice president was under a lot of pressure to sort of amp up his performance after the president's debacle in denver. how was martha? >> she was not jim lehrer. she was going to be active. she was going to push back and she did with ryan. she did that much less with oeb -- biden -- sorry. she is foreign policy person. when biden changed the definition of our goals in afghanistan, from not only kil...

Tell me the administration to pull out troops put them in greater peril. biden had to respond to that instead of respond to go ryan. >> he interrupted over 80 times. she was not moderating biden's behavior. >> i don't have the count with me. as someone sitting there watching, my impression when she would interrupt paul ryan and demanding specifics on the she was pressing out of character for a good and impartial moderator. but i saw her do the same thing on the afghan issue. >> she didn't press on the libya stuff. >> jon: you criticized for not following up. do you think she was too involved i...

>> jon: all right. >> i liked her. >> i liked her, too. >> i was very moved by each of their answers to that question which i didn't expect coming from. >> i thought that was ryan's best answer when he spoke about the child and notion the nickname bean yes, i thought was very effect i. when joe biden came back and said he lost his wife and child. he separates it out not to impose his views on women, i thought it was effective. i thought it was a great question. let me say she could have slammed him for his own position i'm talking about representative ryan for his positions and what he voted f...

It's more assertive reporter and asking them getting them to deal with issues they didn't want to deal with. ryan hates those specifics. she kept trying to nail him down. compared to jim lehrer, i realize there a different philosophical approach. i preferred and may say more about me than about her or jim lehrer. >> two follow-up questions that i think are fundamental. one was on the contention that a peaceful palestinian state living next to israel is the solution to all problems in the middle east. that should have been followed up. that is not what saying. the other, both men being catholic...

Gone in to the mountains of afghanistan and pakistan to go after the people who attacked us on 9/11, we really have decimated those forces. >> jon: some would say, jim, that is what got us into a 9/11 situation in the first place by ignoring threats? >> i think what got us in 9/11 was cockpit doors that couldn't be sealed and poor security. it was much more, our inability to protect airports and pilots. i think we have made enormous successs in afghanistan. i think the story of the romney speech, as he moved to the middle and tried to win the general, it wasn't that different in the obama poli...