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And that'sofficialt's dangeroue to be. i don't want to be in a place smare if someoneo who is much smarter than i am and is actually trained tells me something, i'm questioningm ange whether or not they're telling me the truth or if they're pushing something because oftelling o political a that one party happens to be behind. agendi think most people accept they were wrong early on withint all the best of intentions. but when they continue to go down, that path path and just flatly's denied what we all knew to be true, that'sle when people start saying, okay, something else is up here. >> yeah...

Of invadinge ing countries, he'e it in ukraine, in georgia, re-establishing a circle of influence, a sphere of influence around russia here. he's got a lot of pride. he fancies himself a strong man, what do you envision then as the credible off ramp here? >> well, we can't get putin what he has publicly demanded. we're not going to pull our troops out of europe. we're not going to say that countries like ukraine, sovereign independent countries n't get to choose their alliances that they have to be subjugated by russia. my hope is that continuing diplomacy, being -- showing russia that we're w...