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Later this month. did the network and the republican party get strong armed by two of its leading k d candidates. it says neither mr. trump or dr. carson will participate in the debate if it's longer than 120 minutes and does not include opening and closing statements. in other words, nice little debate you have here. be a shame if something happened to it. i'll talk about how this all went down. the communications director and chief strategist for the republican national economy. good to see you this morning. let's get into the debate. there's a debate playing out on sunday morning tv. amazin...

Early state polling that benefits them. >> what a fascinating job you have to see how as we everything this campaign is not following the rules. new rules are being created by trump and the others and in this case private negotiations going public. thanks for being here this morning. >> you bet. >> let me bring in armstrong williams now. heist carson's business manager. thanks for being here. >> good morning. >> i want who hear how this debate situation went down. it seemed as if the rnc caved from the demands from outsider candidates to have a shorter debate. is that how you perceive what hap...

Closing statements. we exprezzed concerns to the rnc and cnbc. it all worked out. >> nbc universal sources say they are trying to charge $250,000 for these ad packages around the debate. it's an extraordinary number for an advertisement on a cable news channel. we're expecting extraordinary ratings for this next debate. do you and dr. carson have any discomfort with the idea networks like cnn and cnbc and fox news profit off these debates and charge so much for adds? >> remember, i'm his business manager. we don't have a problem with capitalism. people make money as long as legal, moral and et...