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New washington republican establishment. what made you get in? >> chuck, it's a lot of the same reasons i decided to leave my law practice and join the army so many year ago. i did that because of the 9/11 attacks. i thought the country was facing a perilous moment and needed new leaders. i thought i could do my part in iraq and afghanistan. as i watched the drift in washington in the first two years of the obama administration, i thought again we face a perilous moment. this time it's the debt crisis we face. when our incumbent congressman announced his retirement i thought i could perhaps pr...

And more recently things like to change like looking at raising gradually rates of eligibility and means testing. there's really important structural changes that need to happen to give the country fiscal stability. but the aadministration will have to stand up to its own party and produce bold ideas and frankly be willing to work with republicans to get the job done. >> one thing i want to show everybody is politico having this front page profile, the hell no caucus, backed up by the conservative group the club for growth. congressman from arkansas cotton saying, that he would have voted both...

We've got to cut spending in washington. we've got to cut domestic spending. we've got to cut defense spending. but let me tell you what i won't do. i will not reduce our deficit by sacrificing the things that have made america great. >> holding the line on programs he says the country cannot afford to lose. the president is returning to washington today to face a looming fight over the debt ceiling. republicans are trying to extract spending cut and caps in exchange for their votes, but when it comes to raising the debt limit, it looks a lot like the hell no caucus has been voting down. amy c...

President. if he wanted to be president he would have run this time. he was at the vice-presidential running meat to mitt romney in 2012. he is much more about policy, would be perfectly happy if he were never president. as i say, his dream job was to be the chairman of the house ways and means committee in an administration he road like to serve as treasury secretary. so i don't think he hungers for the top job. he hungers to get down into the weeds and get into the crunching numbers and to actually accomplish something. >> how much of this freedom caucus as they call themselves -- i don't kn...

Mostly to the tea party, and they are not responsive to the priorities of their own party leadership. they're responsive to their own constituencies and what they're worried about is being challenged by someone who is more conservative than they are and when they would hold this vote as a score on whether to support them or oppose them in the last election they got very scared and they said we'll vote against the party leadership. >> that could have emboldened them. >> so the speaker is trying to punish them and those that were the outliars as you were describing here. that didn't work and the...