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Joe kennedy wouldn't say is an enemy? hugo chavez, is he our enemy because he's a lefty? what does it take to become an enemy of the united states? >> we need to know that, and back to cynthia's point which is such a central point, what are the rules around here? where is the transparency here? we're owed this as american citizens. our tax dollars are paying for these drones and these hellfire missiles and things. you know, we're owed an explanation about this, and what happens when other countries get this technology? what's good for us is good for them. would we feel good about north korea h...

Killed by a drone without first being charged with a crime. as americans, we have fought long and hard for the bill of rights. the idea that no person should be held without due process and that no person should be held for a capital offense without being indicted is a principle and basic right. what did this filibuster accomplish? >> well, i think it very much pushed rand paul to the forefront of a discussion that more americans are having around drones. and certainly you've seen some agreement on both sides of the aisle of there needs to be more transparency from this white house about the d...

About launching drone strikes. maybe that's logical. of course, will repeat, we need congressional oversight. i believe all of this should be transferred to department of defense. we need parameters as to the president's behavior. we need more transparency. but to somehow translate that into dropping hellfire missiles on people in cafes in the united states of america, that is not what we should be discussing. >> shepard: part of this is about technology and part of this is much bigger. listen to what rand paul said in response to yours and lindsey graham's appearances on capitol hill. >> i th...

I don't disagree that we need more debate, more discussion, and frankly probably more legislation to make sure that america does protect the rights of all of our citizens, to make sure at the same time that if someone is an enemy combatant, that enemy combatant has nowhere to hide. not in a cafe, not anywhere, but to say that somehow that even though we will try to take that person to say that we would hit them in a cafe with a hellfire missile, first of all, there are no drones with hellfire missiles anywhere near. they're over in places like yemen and afghanistan and other places in the worl...

Way to sort of take the enemy off the battlefield. they don't cost a lot of money. there's no risk to u.s. forces and it's more or less invisible. you don't see pictures of the, by and large, huge craters because they leave pretty small imprints. it's just a couple hellfire missiles pretty often. pretty irresistible. what we have not had so much debate about is what are the consequences in those countries where people see the effects of the drones, their relatives are being killed. are we potentially creating more terrorists over the long run than we're killing. that's the burning policy quest...