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But didn't want to stay on the line very long. got off it probably just didn't help the scenario any that john f. kennedy is dead and he was killed in texas, lyndon johnson's state. >> would you really think that -- it's hard for me doing all the work on it, you've done it, too, about the relationship between jack kennedy. he picked johnson for his own needs to win texas and win some other southern states. they were never buddies before, probably never buddies again. what is your thinking about the real sentiment between those two? >> there was no relationship there by 1963. you know, bobby ke...

We don't know if kennedy would have responded to a gulf of tonkin incident, on and on and on. but you cannot say that john f. kennedy wasn't looking for a way to get out of that mess. >> i absolutely agree with you. we don't ever know the future when someone has been killed. i absolutely believe based upon his experience in going over to see the french war, opposing the entry of u.s. troops, certainly the use of u.s. firepower, he always knew the issue was nationalism and all the more troops we could put in there would simply increase their nationalism. they would resent us even more the more ...

Subsequent beginning in '65. do you think kennedy would have -- i have my own views. do you think kennedy would have escalated the way johnson did? >> i absolutely do not. the evidence is, i think, growing all the time that john f. kennedy would not have been suckered into vietnam the way lyndon johnson was. i say that was mike forstel. i'd written the book of his father and i used to interview him. john f. kennedy had gone to him and wanted a plan how to get out of there. there was a feeling it was a lost cause. kennedy gave a world peace speech. he was starting a new kind of foreign policy. ...