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And in terms of saying that the naacp was cheering on this kind of behavior or attitudes or whatever, you know, is just totally absurd. because the people who were there, first of all, they were not all naacp members anyway. but to say that, you know, we were cheering something on and learned something else about it, that's totally untrue. i've known shirley for 11 years, and i know that that's not her character. >> if you were doing a sermon about this, what is the lesson here for all of us, in this incident, in the aftermath? what's the takeaway? >> let the work i've done speak for me, not f...

Everyone says ges sits are terrible. what do we do in the long-term to do something about it? everybody is concerned right now. the number is climbing. >> if you want to solve one problem, help somebody who doesn't have a job find a job. >> right. >> and harass every politician you can think of to focus their brain and their mind on job creation and on productive investment in this country as a matter of incentives and policies. >> what does the government do to make that happen? >> the government creates tax breaks and the government creates incentives. they are tax hordes. hundreds of billio...

How do you help somebody like this? >> but he sits here and want to talk about he can't take anymore because the world's coming down on him and he wants to off himself because -- you know, it's everybody's fault but his. but he wants to look at that. he wants to commit crimes like that so, you know what? >> can't help somebody that don't want to help themselves. >> come on in. >> yes, sir. >> you know you're in trouble again. >> oh, of course. i'm always in trouble. >> why do you have all this stuff? you know you just got wrote up for it. you know you're not supposed to have it. >> because i j...

Department. i don't know for sure. probably having fine seattle coffee when they got the call. >> shepard: there's another ledge. look at these people hanging over the side having to pull that cable out so the men are -- i don't know if it's all men, so the people don't run into the side. this is -- man, i couldn't look over the thing much less help somebody. >> that's scary place to be but the guys are well-trained. one assumes it's a specific unit of the fire department who are trained in these things as well. they're doing a pretty good job here. the guys are having to get his own legs goin...

Do is look at that and say how do we come together and actually achieve a reduction in the extortion that depogoes on in t country in terms of medical malpractice. there's lots of ways to do that. in terms of incentivizing states to do that. how do we do that in terms of creating an elimination of fraud. you know, when you compare the private sector fraud rates, it's 1%. compared to medicare and medicaid. there's estimates that there's $15 billion worth of fraud in medicaid a year in new york city alone. so we haven't attacked that. we haven't gone where the money is. my hope would be that we ...