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I was not a fan of his, that i can tell you. i was not a fan of his. >> joining me now the investigative journalist whose dogged reporting helped expose, julie brown of the "miami herald." a pleasure to have you here. >> thank you. >> i'll start on the president and then talk about alex acosta. in terms of the president, this is clearly -- you can find pictures of epstein with a loft people because he cultivated powerful people. how would you characterize his relationship to the current president of the united states? >> well, i think their relationship goes back a long time. they obviously ha...

Intentionally helping this rich white man over these young girls who didn't have the kind of representation that the department of justice is ethically responsible and morally responsible to advocate for. >> you know, part of the issue to me is that there is -- we still don't have the full story. julie brown did amazing reporting. >> absolutely. acosta should answer questions. >> yes. >> i'm all for the state's attorney answering questions, but we don't have an answer on why he was meeting offsite, why did he lie to the girls? why did he give immunity to these other four women plus persons kno...

Secretly with defense attorneys. when i was a prosecutor prosecuting sex crimes or police officers, i didn't defer to any defense counsel, and i don't know anybody who did. and these guys were deferential and would this be okay with you? it was a bizarre relationship that they had. but it's more than just sloppy. this is intentionally -- intentionally helping this rich white man over these young girls who didn't have the kind of representation that the department of justice is ethically responsible and morally responsible to advocate for. >> you know, part of the issue to me is that there is -...

I'd say maybe 15 years. i was not a fan of his, that i can tell you. i was not a fan of his. >> joining me now the investigative journalist whose dogged reporting helped expose, julie brown of the "miami herald." a pleasure to have you here. >> thank you. >> i'll start on the president and then talk about alex acosta. in terms of the president, this is clearly -- you can find pictures of epstein with a loft people because he cultivated powerful people. how would you characterize his relationship to the current president of the united states? >> well, i think their relationship goes back a long...