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We're still supporting our first responders to protect and serve but hold them accountable and make sure we have laws and policies in place so that this never happens again in city of memphis. >> counsel woman, congressman thank you both for your time, appreciate talk you go to. >> welcome. >> i want to turn to cnn political commentator, and retired land sergeant cheryl, thank you for being here, i want to start with you, these officers as you know were black be that's counter intuitive for some people when they see a crime like this, what do you think was going on there? is it -- was this mor...

Messages, they say that these informants are going to argue that the proud boys did not have plan previously to storm the capitol. that this was kind of a herd mentality things that cropped up randomly, i don't know how compelling that testimony will be, i don't know how it will go to cross examination, we'll see could be compelling and good for defense. >> important point, the prosecution has the burden of proof and although there was the successful prosecution and conviction on similar charges including the conspiracy charges for the oath keepers every trial is separate and the idea of provi...

Look like it's a layup to convict a number of these five defendants on seditious conspiracy charges. the defense also has a few aces up its sleeve. >> like what? >> one of the most -- well, the most impactful thing that the defense for ethan nordine, one of the defendants came up with, he said they have testimony from fbi informants who were embedded with the proud boys who marched with them towards the capitol that day and was in their text messages. they say that these informants are going to argue that the proud boys did not have a plan previously to storm the capitol, that this was kind of...

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You've been on the city council in troy. you were a state representative here in michigan. you've been in politics and your tenure and politics started before politics felt like the swamp that it can feel like today. you were elected as a republican? correct >> i still yield towards the republican party but because it's been taken over by donald trump, i don't want to be affiliated with that sort of thing. the truth of the matter is i've always been of an independent mind, and if you look at some of the things that they've introduced when i was in the legislature i took a more washingtonian ap...