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er>> good evening chris, book bans, just saying the phrase book bans. very understandable, doesn't seem to pull well, like so many things, desantis is overseeing the state of florida. it is a mystery to me how he does not think this is an absolute kryptonite in terms of a net national bay. >> more kryptonite, further goes on, i found the washington post finding that there are 11 people who are filing. okay, that's cancellation, 30 million. i think the rest of folks are like, i don't need to go through every book in the kids libra. >> please make me less involved. that's what i say. >...

so it's really the second time in american, history the former president appeared in court as a criminal defendant. the first time as last month when donald trump was arraigned on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records. in the manhattan district attorney's case against him. now, today, mr. trump appeared in that courtroom again, virtually. by video conference from mar-a-lago. the reason for this hearing was that the judge in this case needed to explain to former president trump why he is not allowed to post any of the evidence from this case on social media. which seems like...

Indictment. joining us now, devlin barrett, reporter covering the fbi in the doj for the washington post. also with us is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, co-host of the sisters in law podcast. devlin and joyce, thanks for being. here devlin, let me start with you in terms of your reporting. and the reporting that is out there. does this timeline surprise you? that the special counsel may, in fact, be wrapping up? >> so, i think wrapping up sometime in the eye of the beholder. it is certainly true there are a lot of indicators. showing they have done, let's call it, a majority of the investi...

Investigation. which means we could know any day now whether the former president of the united states will face yet another criminal indictment. joining us now, devlin barrett, reporter covering the fbi in the doj for the washington post. also with us is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, co-host of the sisters in law podcast. devlin and joyce, thanks for being. here devlin, let me start with you in terms of your reporting. and the reporting that is out there. does this timeline surprise you? that the special counsel may, in fact, be wrapping up? >> so, i think wrapping up sometime in the eye...