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Communications officer for the chicago police department, at least -- and these are specific words, phil, i want you to react. at least one offender shot in the incident in mercy hospital. police are searching the hospital, according to the press spokesman for the chicago police department. so if they're already searching the hospital, presumably that's good news. >> i would agree with that. i mean, the fact that the offender is down, obviously suggests that he's clearly not a threat any more. i mentioned earlier, if he's down, there's a prospect they're speaking with him. i would say, on the ...

Fired at their facility which, as we understand it cross over with the national guard and the army facility that we continue to reference, that's why it's a little bit confusing here. it looks like there are different branches of the military represented in a few key areas. joe caranelli is a former commander with the new york city police department. joe, again, beginning of this investigation. where do you look first? >> first of all, the shooter, whether he's down -- if he's down or if he's -- you know if he's wounded or if he's there, hopefully he's taken alive if he's taken at all. you hav...

You did, though, at the beginning of the segment, martin. >> what do you mean by that? >> flaccid, flabby. >> having watched every moment of it, it seemed to me that what the defense were attempting to do was sell the notion of one man being perpetually weak, though he had been in a gym for a year, against a young man who they were attempting to describe as a superfit athlete that they knew nothing about. >> you know what? bottom line is, how much does this matter? i mean, let's say he was superweak and wussy, right? when he's down, if he's down, if the jury believes he's down and trayvon mart...

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Operatives are operating and how that is hurting them in the general election possibly is a good clue as to why mitt romney's not winning the presidential election, why he's down, and why also other congressional candidates and senate candidates are doing poorly. right now i'm joined by sheila bair, author of "bull by the horns fighting to save main street from wall street and wall street from itself." . she's worked as research and director council to republican bob dole. great to have you here. joe weisenthal, deputy editor at business insider. msnbc joy reid at our sister website thegrio.co...