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Stand out? i didn't say when. i said stand out. >> there are the wildcards. so anything could happen with those folks. with webb or chafee. they could stand out just by being outrageous and getting noticed, right? >> right. >> i think bernie sanders is the one here who really has to stand out, though. because bernie sanders is doing very well, but he has to prove that he's a president. that he's electable. that somebody who calls himself a democratic socialist can actually win an election and appeal to a broader base of people. democrats will be watching this debate, but independents will also...

Few miles away, he's getting all the attention. this is going to be in the news for the next few days. this is the headline, trump and bush have competing rallies. so trump is doing this in a calculated way to get all the attention and to take the air out of the tires of jeb bush. even though the air might not be so inflated at the moment, he's taking it for the long run, for the primaries for months from now, it's a long time. chris? >> i love your metaphors there. ron, it seems to me, that the shot at bush was right almost to his solar plex us, if not to his groin. he's unelectable. that is ...

So trump is doing this in a calculated way to get all the attention and to take the air out of the tires of jeb bush. even though the air might not be so inflated at the moment, he's taking it for the long run, for the primaries for months from now, it's a long time. chris? >> i love your metaphors there. ron, it seems to me, that the shot at bush was right almost to his solar plex us, if not to his groin. he's unelectable. that is the one thing bush has been selling, that he's electable. it seems to me, he's very focused -- i think he's trying to win this nomination fight now. what do you thi...