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That is fundamentally inconsistent with the oath that the members of congress take in impeachment proceedings. so i think pelosi is right to say, look, we're not going to have that. that's not a trial. that's just, you know, some sort of soviet rush to a decision. but, you know, if you want to have a real trial, absolutely. nobody wants a real trial more than pelosi because if the allegations -- excuse me -- if the witnesses came out or if the transcript was studied and read, there's only one real conclusion. and i think, don, here's another way of thinking about it. in poker, there's always a...

You can always tell when someone's lying by one particular move they make. here there is one. the president has a tell because the two articles of impeachment are, number one, that he's abused his power because of ukraine and, number two, that he's obstructed justice by not providing witnesses and documents to the congress. now, in a stroke of a pen, he could resolve both those articles. he could allow his chief of staff, mick mulvaney, his national security adviser, john bolton, and, you know, the other folks to testify. that would mean there would be no obstruction of congress, so that artic...