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Interesting. saif al gadhafi, he's western educated. he speaks perfectly beautiful english. perfectly understandable. quite bright. and has the trust, what's most important in libya is that he has the trust and confidence of his father who everyone believed in the region was grooming him to take power when gadhafi, colonel gadhafi left as the leader. you know, it's funny because when i met with him, he was talking about rehabilitating the former fighters and leader of the fighting group. he was talking about sort of democratic reforms, throwing a wide net. what we saw on tape is a very differe...

Because we have ben wedeman on the phone for us, now, the first western journalist to get into libya. you're there right now. tell our viewers what you're seeing, do some analysis for us. what's going on? >> yeah, wolf, what we saw is as we were driving in is that this part of eastern libya is clearly under the controls of the rebels, the forces that are opposed to colonel gadhafi. we saw along the road a lot of groups of men with shotguns, with machine guns, in civilian clothing. they call themselves basically the popular committees that are trying to maintain some sort of order along the way...