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Taking so-called executive time and they're saying if you don't get this wall you're not going to boo reelected. so he's up against a wall by trying to make sure he does everything he can to make it look as though he's fighting real a hard to get this wall because he believes as they are advise him that if hhe doesn't it, he'll not be reelected. he told us he was going to build a big, beautiful wall and make mexico pay for it. have the american citizens forgotten what he said? and now he's trueing to maybe the american citizens pay for this wall. we've done a good job in negotiating bipartisan...

He doesn't it, but he thinks that's the message. what's your reading on pelosi and gates? >> we have extremely mixed messages here. it's not just speaker pelosi who is reflecting, i think, if not a consensus the views of a growing number of her view in the house versus secretary gates. you also get mixed messages within the executive branch. you go over to the white house shlgs and you get a sense of don't worry. we were serious when we talked about july 2011. this was not some sort of charade. you watch what's happening on the ground, and you get a different sense. >> here is mullens giving a...