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And gas. they now need to be doing the more hi-tech stuff, but they've got these terribly run companies. they need to be able to run these in order to get at their future oil and gas. and they can't get it because of the sanctions on them because of putin's behavior. and putin is strategic but he's short-term strategic. and in the long run his short-term behavior, it all made sense in terms of grabbing up that industry and wielding influence around the world in such a maligned way. those things got to be on a collision course, and he threw a total hail mary when it came to us in 2016 to try to...

Trade craft. hi-tech stuff can be broken into. it may look like keystone cops but can be very useful in the kind of situations of handling an agent in moscow. >> all right. we learned that mr. fogle was released to the u.s. embassy. it happened pretty quickly. does that surprise you in >> no, it didn't. as you recall, when we rounded up the ten russian illegals in 2010 -- >> remember that? >> you'll recall what we did, first of all, we publicized it much as they are doing. we publicized their names, jobs and families. then we traded them back to the russians for four russians who allegedly had...