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Thanks for your time tonight. >> thanks. take care. >> for more on what happened today, i am joined by former acting u.s. solicitor general. on the papers thing, i started this personally thinking they are trying to rush. there is a lot of papers they want to get this done. so they are shortcutting the process. it seems to me they have acted in ways they are hiding something. >> you started the show by saying the election in november is the most consequential election in a generation. this is the most consequential seat. it is more important than what happens in november. this is the swing sea...

>> this is a pr strategy more than a legal strategy. i feel like i have breakfast with him every morning, he's on my television so much. in the end, this may go to congress. whatever report comes out. this will be a political fight and the presidents team is setting it up that way. we know the presidents lawyers don't want him to testify or interview but they don't want to make it like he doesn't want to do the interview because it may look like he's hiding something. so this all back and forth is way to stretch out the argument, make it look that whether the president is or isn't willing to d...

>>martha: what's the impact if he sits down or does not? >> this is a pr strategy more than a legal strategy. i feel like i have breakfast with him every morning, he's on my television so much. in the end, this may go to congress. whatever report comes out. this will be a political fight and the presidents team is setting it up that way. we know the presidents lawyers don't want him to testify or interview but they don't want to make it like he doesn't want to do the interview because it may look like he's hiding something. so this all back and forth is way to stretch out the argument, make it...

Is more of a pr strategy than a legal strategy. i feel sometimes like i'm having breakfast with giuliani. he's on my television so much. but that may be the right way to go in the end this could go to congress, whatever report comes out, if democrats take the house, this could be impeachment. this will be a political fight. and i think the president's team is setting it up that way. we know the president's lawyers don't want him to testify, but they also don't -- or to do the interview, but they also don't want it to look like he doesn't want to do the interview because that might look like he...

Working vacation if the answer to the question is no, will the president sit down or not? jake? >> all right. jeff zeleny with the president in new jersey. thank you so much. let's talk about this with the experts. michael, you said in the last block were you advising paul manafort you would not have him testify. he's too vulnerable. what about if you're working for president trump? who wants to talk according to his public pronouncements. who says he has pn't done anythg wrong. >> purely as a lawyer, i would say, don't talk to mueller. it's too dangerous. you don't have a good enough command ...