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coming up soon. first though to this breaking right now, florida governor ron desantis reacting to this report that the white house is huddling over potential litigation options as he and other republican governors transport migrants to sanctuary cities. >> he did not scribble to get his cabinet together when we had millions of people illegally pouring across the southern border >> he didn't scramble to get his cabinet together when you had 43, 53 at migrants, dye, and some trailer in texas because they were reground neglected by the federal government. >> come here is what the white...

Or asian. at this is an issue that you want a secure southern border because a secure southern border means of that, you know, we have an integration system that serves the american interest. right now, this chaos that we are seeing is something that i think people are not going to vote on. >> martha: yeah, i'm just curious who will get sued for the planes that landed at upstate new york. you know, six, eight months ago. we watched them all landing there. cell, if that was inhumane and evil to send people there, why is that any different than this. and the congressman in that area i was beggin...

Spiritual undergirds the whole of life. and so, something like this is always a sign of some kind of a spiritual rupture, a loss of contact with the deepest source of meaning. you said it earlier, the loss of faith, the decreased religious practice around the country. when i was a kid, about 3% of our country would have claimed no religion. now it's up to 25%. i don't think that that goes without some consequence. there is a coarsening when you lose contact with god, who is the source of moral value, the source of meaning, and finally the source of human dignity. i don't think it simply a triv...

Their hearts are open. if you want to see a radical ideology, academia is telling white males across the country that they are worthless. that is creating a sense of resentment, but it is not leading to violence. the violence in this country, if you want to save the lives, you go into the inner city and you work on policing and make sure that people committing drive-by shootings are off the streets. there's 11,000 gun homicides a year overwhelmingly committed by drive-by shootings by street crime. the number of white supremacist killings, every single killing in this country should not exist. ...

Where he reaches millions of people. i'm one of them on a good day. in his newest book, letters to a suffering church, he encourages catholics to stay and fight for their faith and their church. bishop, thank you very much. good to have you with us tonight. >> martha, thanks for having me. >> martha: so talk to us about your thoughts on the violence we have seen. the horrific loss of life. the president went to be with some of those who are wounded. where does this evil come from? >> of course, it's never right to find simply one cause. you could analyze it culturally, sociologically, anthropo...