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When he had you know, a let's see, a third son, his fifth child, he couldn't really name him donald trump jr. because he already had donald trump jr., so he named him barron, after john barron, perhaps. >> that's interesting. right. well, it seems to be b a bit of a pattern with trump because besides posing as fake person, which is extraordinary on its own, there's always the fake thyme magazine coverment the fake painting he tried to pass off as real. what do you think is at the root at this hunger for affirmation? >> it's a hunger for acclimation to always be the winner. always be the one on...