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Attorneys. so the second stage of that only begins once the first stage is over. i would imagine a year at least for the direct appeal. >> and the m.i.t. police have a statement they put out, where they say hope that the conclusion of the trial and the subsequent verdict can offer some kind of closure no matter how small. remember, m.i.t. they lost an officer in that shootout. today is really a day where you hope that to their point, even if it is small that there is some sort of closure. >> yeah that's right. i want to thank everyone who joined us on this historic day. pete williams caleb mas...

How likely is it that any of these appeals would succeed on tsarnaev's behalf? >> well, the appeal is going to have to allege that there was some legal error in the proceedings. and these were proceedings that were tried by a very able defense team, and certainly in my observation, the trial was extremely fair. the ruling that is i would think very likely is going to be the ruling on venue. the claim is going to be that he has a right to a fair trial. that's a constitutional right and he was unable to get it in boston. he made a proper request for transfer to another venue and the court denied...

The evidence was overwhelming in this case. the defense didn't put up too much of a fight in the first phase. in the second phase they tried to cast him as someone enslaved by his brother, as someone who did show some remorse. but the image of tsarnaev in that courtroom was telling. no emotion. cried a little when his aunt was on the stand and she cried. but when the victims were on the stand, when the autopsy photos -- when martin richard's dad was on the stand, no emotion, stoic. that's one of the things that sealed his doosmm. >> the evidence was overwhelming. as we discussed before on this...

Discussion over the last 14 years since 9/11, could we try a terrorist in federal court within america and here we see yes, we can. and we can give them what i think you and i would agree was a fair trial and just verdict. >> and that's true. if you're talking about a case that happened on u.s. soil. it becomes more problematic when you have people where the crime took place on foreign soil. why? because the evidence and the processing of the evidence is much different from a foreign and military procedures are very different than a civil police department. so that's how it gets a little gray ...

Could the people of boston of massachusetts send someone to death? massachusetts does not have the death penalty but that's a state issue. this is a federal issue. when we look through this list about the jurors almost all of them say they are open to the death penalty only one woman said she was against the death penalty. but still open to it. clearly the people who are selected and people of boston were selected for this trial were more than open. they were willing and today we found out they were able to give the death penalty to dzhokhar tsarnaev. what is the scene out there right now, ron...