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Dealing on ukraine. national press secretary for the trump 2020 campaign. good evening. what's your take on joe biden and how he reacted to that question? >> what a disturbing interaction. that individual, his name was jack. he's an 83-year-old retired farmer in iowa. he asked a simple question which the media won't ask, and joe biden calms him a liar, calls him fat, and challenges him to a push-up contest. it was really disturbing and very unhinged. judge jeanine: he called him a damn liar. where did you hear that. >> the poor man said i heard it on the news. but i think that it shows how vul...

Dealing on ukraine. national press secretary for the trump 2020 campaign. good evening. what's your take on joe biden and how he reacted to that question? >> what a disturbing interaction. that individual, his name was jack. he's an 83-year-old retired farmer in iowa. he asked a simple question which the media won't ask, and joe biden calms him a liar, calls him fat, and challenges him to a push-up contest. it was really disturbing and very unhinged. judge jeanine: he called him a damn liar. where did you hear that. >> the poor man said i heard it on the news. but i think that it shows how

>> look, here's the deal. >> you want to clarify? >> bret: well, after calling an 80-year-old i will vote or a liar, did the former vice president also called him fat? that was the question today we are back with the panel. jonah, what about the incident where biden stands and what's happening? >> i think biden gets a very finite number of passes for this kind of response where he does a moral outrage thing protecting his home. it won't hurt him that much, but it chokes that he has not figured out a better and more substantial reply to the stuff which is going to come out not just from old iow...

Get your words straight, jack. brian: he called him -- big controversy is, he called him fat. and, to me, when you listen to this back. i have listened to it about 25 times. first he comments on being sedentary because he said he watched tv. 40 seconds later he is calling him fat. now he walks it back. ainsley: campaign denying it. he didn't say he said facts. brian: i can't follow his line of thinking. just answer the question. is your son because he worked on amtrak qualified for ukrainian gas deal to sit on a board that paid him 50 to 80,000 a month? don't say there is no corruption there. ...

Jack. pete: will this outburst help his. owen, robert wolf, kristen soltis anderson. welcome to you both. >> thank you. is it. pete: robert, have you been a supporter of joe biden. do you like this? is it good for him. >> no malarkey bus tour. i think actually he needs to make sure he starts standing up. and the guy challenges ethics at his event. pete: he is challenging him to pushups. some people think he called him fat. is he throwing these verbal bombs out. do you think that's good? >> come on, pete, you are now the politically correct guy on tv? pete: can he say that whatever he wants. >>...