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Office that could be heard elsewhere in the building. and there was no love lost. the president really bashed him on the way out the door. >> so this is sort of back to your earlier point. it may be that he was more of an adviser in the mold of don mcgahn, that he didn't agree with him idealogically, but he was there to save him from what would have been catastrophic. >> it's the phenomenon of the trump administration. it's better to be sitting in the passenger seat with the hopes of grabbing the wheel than be not even in the car. it's just time and time again, it's not a new story to this adm...

Like, most intensely following this and the vanguard most on social media and the most invested and what the polling says about voters. and i think that gap can be both ideological in there is a lot more moderate and self-described primary voters than there are in the most active parts of the party, and also i think it can be just like intentional or dispositional level. joe biden continues to poll highly because a lot of people feel like they like joe biden and they have his politics more or less. >> right. but to me, that's where the danger of his sort of the fact that he seems a little bit ...

Invested and what the polling says about voters. and i think that gap can be both ideological in there is a lot more moderate and self-described primary voters than there are in the most active parts of the party, and also i think it can be just like intentional or dispositional level. joe biden continues to poll highly because a lot of people feel like they like joe biden and they have his politics more or less. >> right. but to me, that's where the danger of his sort of the fact that he seems a little bit slower, the fact that he seems a little bit off his game. because i think a lot of the ...

Trump for the last two years and someone kind of opens the door at the end of the hallway and you see daylight. it's a turn to kind of a reality-based politics and certainly a different tone that you hear from him. he is the polar opposite of president trump in every way, but the question for me is this country rejected the politics of president obama to some extent in 2016 and turned its back on what he was offering and the huge question for me in 2018 is if that still continues or if there is some part of the electorate that wants to turn their back on president trump now. >> you know, eddie...

Idealogically, but i know a lot of republicans, a lot of conservatives, who saw him up there and said, man, it's nice to have like a normal guy out there again, even if i disagree with him, at least we agree on the constitution and we agree on, you know, how we treat our neighbors and we agree on just the basics of american life and the basics in civil discourse on the campaign trail. >> absolutely, joe. as you know, i disagreed with president obama from idealogically from the left, but it was nice to see and hear reasoned thinking, a kind of thoughtfulness and in some ways a commitment to the...