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So that neither one of them gets shot off. >> reporter: perry has largely steered clear of the scandals and gaffes of fellow cabinet members, avoiding the extravagance of tom price and scott pruitt or moments like this from ben carson. >> do you know what an reo is? >> an oreo? >> no, not an oreo, an r-e-o. reo. >> reporter: he's had some controversial headlines, but nothing that's really stuck. >> he has an agency that hasn't come under a ton of congressional pressure. there hasn't been any epic fights related to the energy department and congress and the white house. so that's a big benefit....

Newt gingrich shut down the whole u.s. government, so don't play him light now. he knows how to shut stuff down. but they were trying to get newt to back away from his position saying that isn't it over the top, and, let me show you what he said today about trying to tell the truth in these ads. >> yeah, because there's something very interesting about that. >> let me show you what he said. he says, and i'm quoting him, i am trying to get on full screen. he says, i am calling for the winning our future super pac supporting me to either edit its "king of bain" advertisement and movie to remove ...