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When you whittle out the lower tier and a lot of them aren't on the same stage at the same time, i think you'll see a much different dynamic. but the conversation the next few days is about his stumble. >> i think beto is the biggest winner. nobody is talking about him messing up the first debate. joe biden overtook the headlines. we are all winners because we got to see eric swalwell and mary ann embarrass themselves on stage last night >> don't you say it. >> it is about love and compassion. what happens to those we're not talking about? whether tim ryan or john delaney. >> john delaney was ...

Of the show. >> okay. but just so you know, one count of obstruction, two to six counts of false statement. >> seven counts. two of them are about him messing with credico in the process. five are lies. i'll see you right at the top. >> director clapper will be on. >> oh, clapper. great guest. all right. so what did the president know? that's the question. and what you've heard every time with manafort and now with stone, this has nothing to do with him. he doesn't know what those guys are doing. i'm going to remind you of the defense that's been offered, and then we're going to blow it to p...

Start there. >> why would there be a perj -- purge? >> the plotters, every single one of them, a coward are purging these people because they want to surround themselves. right now you can't have worked for trump campaign. >> they could argue what they are trying to do is save the country and not destroy donald trump. >> so stand up and be -- don't be a coward. >> what do you make of that argument which is made in this op-ed that the first duty is to the country and they are trying to protect the president from his own worst impumss and continue his agenda without him messing it up? >> yeah. w...

>> why would there be a purge of trump supporters from cabinets? >> the plotters behind this op-ed, the plotters behind destroying donald trump who are working for donald trump, every single one of them a coward, are purging these people because they want to surround themselves -- right now if you want to get into the trump administration, you can't have worked for the trump campaign. you must have worked for bush. >> they would argue what they're trying do is save the country and not destroy donald trump. >> so stand up and don't be a coward. >> david, what do crew make of that argument which...

That was just who trump pointed at but it definitely didn't go to a typical american journalist like it does at these press conferences where they each get two questions to their respective reporters. >> mary katherine, was that a missed opportunity. >> i'm not sure if he's sending a message or what here. i don't mind him messing with the rtraditional way of doing things but i think going with an american reporter over a chinese reporter would have been good. i think macron recognizes an opening. i think he recognizes that trump is open to new ideas or impressionable and that you can have a co...