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Opposite, so not do politics, and what we've seen recently, which is become a sad spectacle of witness tampering on fox news, but he tells the story under oath that he basically told him mueller is great and that's the interaction they had. take a look at that exchange. >> essentially the president wanted to know -- he said, oh, you know bob mueller. how well do you know bob mueller? i told him how well i knew bob mueller and how the barrs and muellers were good friends and would be good friends when this is all over and so forth. and he was interested in that, wanted to know, you know, what i...

Against mueller's office." here's an example. giuliani told the "times" that manafort's lawyers told him mueller's investigators were intent on finding out what the president knew about the trump tower meeting in 2016. he said that mueller was trying to get manafort to incriminate trump. that is just one single example. remember this. manafort met with mueller's investigators over a dozen times. that's a lot of information that could have been passed along. and this morning the president decided to weigh in on all of this on twitter, of course, saying this." while the disgusting fake news is ...

Is trump dozens like him. the relationship has sired. i'm not blaming jeff. it can't go on like this. >> i guess he deems jeff sessions not to be loyal. firing your attorney general in the middle of an investigation centered around you is problematic. it speaks to the argument folks are making in the media about obstruction. richard nixon did the same thing. if history is a teacher. when he did his new attorney general had to appoint a special counsel in the watergate investigation. history shows us firing your attorney general in times like this is not the best idea. shannon: i want to quote ...

Investigation or get it to stop i wouldn't be surprised if this is one of many conversations he's had to scheme sessions into control. >> is there anything illegal or inappropriate? >> it isn't unless mueller's attempts at obstruction dependant by the president at mar-a-lago in march of 2017 enkourng him him mueller will say this indicates the president was concerned and worried and wanted sessions back on the case. why would he want him back on the case? so i think it could pull the time line back earlier if obstruction is the special prosecutor's theory. >> dooupg do you think it

Rudy giuliani but i think rudy is giving the president very good advice. up, down or meshed settlement. neil: you know many people say it's a mistake for this president to do it, and they point to the bill clinton example, where he thought he could control the process and some say he embarrassed himself. do you agree not with the bill clinton thing but you were doing a lot of the questions but more to the point where the president is subjecting himself to this that it could veer into all sorts of directions? >> that's what the defense lawyers have to prevent. stop the veering. our question was...