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To participate and actually defend itself a on the substanc . Or was does it do . Is it all bombast all the time until we get to potentially an Impeachment Vote. I want to delve deeper into that point and also tell our viewers here, as were at the top of the 11 00 hour on the east coast In Washington, youre watching msnbcs special live uninterrupted coverage of what all agree is a historic day on capitol hill. C this is the preparation for a house vote on resolution 660, providing for the rules for the potential impeachmentth of the current president donald trump. What you see on your veen is ...

Do we, in fact, care that the president of the united states violated, t attempted to violat the sovereignty of our national elections. i think that's -- for all the nuances, for all the niceties, for all the procedural points we spend a lot of time on, that is theon fundamental question confronting the fucountry. a 48-48 country with a few folks on the nerve's edge in betweene these two tribes, wha will we decide is acceptable behaviorac from the president o the united states. inor many ways, far more so tha the bill clinton example, more like the richard nixon example, more like the johnson ...

Midterm elections that impeachment and immigration is what is going to motivate republican voters to come out and support him. i think he's bringing that up as a way to protect himself. >> and it is the bill clinton example. i mean, bill clinton turned impeachment into a partisan battle between democrats and republicans that benefitted him. that's, i think, what he wants to do in this case. i'm not sure this is the best way to pursue that goal, but that's his strategy. >> in a weird way, the more he talks about it, the more inevitable it comes across. >> and it's also more -- the media talks a...

D'souza's deserved the same scrutiny? >> none of them went through the office that scrutinized these to make sure the people deserve the pardon and to evaluate them in the context of all the other people requesting pardons along the way. in the bill clinton example, that precipitated not only a department of justice investigation but also investigations by congress. at the very least, the fact that this one went around that process and is based on crimes for which other people in the mueller investigation may be accused of is a problem on many levels. >> is it fair to say he could use it as a ...

Rudy giuliani but i think rudy is giving the president very good advice. up, down or meshed settlement. neil: you know many people say it's a mistake for this president to do it, and they point to the bill clinton example, where he thought he could control the process and some say he embarrassed himself. do you agree not with the bill clinton thing but you were doing a lot of the questions but more to the point where the president is subjecting himself to this that it could veer into all sorts of directions? >> that's what the defense lawyers have to prevent. stop the veering. our question was...