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Is just so terrible that our politics have come to this. we've got a tax reform bill that is a mess, we have north korea that's a mess and we have the president sort of under, you know, under investigation and two of this top people lying to the fbi and here we are, trying to decide whether or not it is bad for a child molester to be in the senate. it is end of story we should be moving on to more important things. >> ed, go. >> well, listen, kate, i first of all i think it's an absolutely amazing that hillary says those things. let me point to a piece of common ground with her. i agree with h...

This is the president's personal attorney who is involved he says in sending these tweets out and in the explanations after the fact. what do these explanations mean to you? what's your take? >> sure. well a couple things. first of all, it tells you that the president's legal team is concerned the president obstructed justice. there is no reason for the president's legal team to go out and claim that the president cannot obstruct justice unless they're concerned that he may have liability for that. that's the first thing. that's pretty amazing, right. the argument that dowd makes goes further ...

He's in charge, guys, the constitution says is in charge of investigations. if he orders the fbi to terminate and use the resources elsewhere, the person in charge of the fbi, therefore, i'm not obstructing justice, i'm doing my job. now i don't happen to agree with that theory and most legal scholars would not agree that the president could obstruct an investigation of his own office. because then it's personal. it's not him just doing the job to help the country. it's him obstructing justice directly. >> just as you're saying this it's starting to dawn on me the fact that they're throwing th...

Fbi director to let the investigation of flynn go, then fired the fbi director, james comey, some time after that, at least in theory, you could construe an obstruction of justice case, some have said. the attorney for the president, of course, indicating in his view no obstruction of justice case can be made here and that's going to go back and forth for a while. but overall, kate, i think the important thing to look at when you look at this, is the president's willingness to wade in again and again on issues under investigation by the special counsel. he's not the first president to talk abo...