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They heard from somebody who told them what happened, the damage is done. a narrative has been set and at love people believe what they believe. >> and, steve, the fundamentally uncurious mainstream media, not everybody, some people have done homework on this but very few have almost refuse to call out schiff and again to be fair not everyone. some outlets gave him pinocchios. good. i wish they would do that more often. this story is false, steve. the story adam schiff told is simply not accurate. there was no quid pro quo. he did, in fact, meet his staff with people associated with the whistl...

Washington policy making. it's more than just a gotcha, but if you want to try to find out how the federal budget works or what's really happening with the health care law, i try to untangle the rhetoric that politicians use. >> well, good luck with that, because it's a morass of -- now, one final question. jay carney has to go out there every day and defend what president obama says, what president obama says about the doctor. now we know that's not true and carney still tries to spin it. have you been tough on carney? >> yes, i have given him pinocchios. he's not been especially happy about ...

Washington policy making. it's more than just a gotcha, but if you want to try to find out how the federal budget works or what's really happening with the health care law, i try to untangle the rhetoric that politicians use. >> well, good luck with that, because it's a morass of -- now, one final question. jay carney has to go out there every day and defend what president obama says, what president obama says about the doctor. now we know that's not true and carney still tries to spin it. have you been tough on carney? >> yes, i have given him pinocchios. he's not been especially happy about ...