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So, i think when you look at his actions, people still have that question in their minds. do they make sense of him congratulating him putin, for example, because putin may have something on him? i mean, that's unclear. we'll find out when mueller continues as he continues his investigation. but i think you do have to -- you can't just say the president is soft on russia, yet his administration is taking all of these steps. i mean, he is the head of the administration. he could stop some of these things from happening. i do think he's probably in a strange awkward place now because he is frien...

And you did have the obama administration marshaling the countries of europe to unite, even though some were dragged in kicking and screaming on the anti-russia sanctions for ukraine. you didn't have this kind of, you know, the right hand doesn't know what the left arm is doing. i think that's really scary. we don't know even where our executive branch stands on russia. >> how would you, michelle -- our policy towards russia in the trump heera, how do you look at it? you can look at it through the prism of the 2016 election. you can look at it through the prism of sending the anti-tanks. >> i'...

I think this has been stoked from the beginning as a conspiracy. i'm surprised that the meeting was originally scheduled for only 30 minutes. doing any longer if you need to finish all the collusion you been doing? this is an important conversation for things that are really happening around the world. demonstration was serious when they are getting about finding a new partnership with m putin. he has a weekend, we have a strong hand. barack obama lost to a we can because he didn't know how to play poker. now that putin is looking into the camera with a real poker player, that's changing the d...

Didn't know how to deal with putin from a position of strength. he says and believes tillerson does that putin responds to strength and power. here is a big change in the dynamic after threats and a red line from president obama, this administration wants to look very different by comparison. a condemnation of this strike by president trump, his own line, red line, then immediate action followed up by tillerson who i think is going to initiate muscular diplomacy against russia of let's get rid of these chemical weapons, but we have to talk about the future of assad and whether the u.s. can pre...

Deconflictions, there's no way now we're going to get a u.n. security council resolution. this is a huge diplomatic crisis between world powers whether the trump administration likes it. they try to minimize this by saying we're going back to business, that's not going to happen. russia is taking this very seriously. >> but to david points, this does change the david's point. you will recall hillary clinton called him putin's puppet. this seems to defy that. >> it takes the heat off the investigation in congress about all of the potential collusion during the campaign with russia. now he will ...