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Thanks for coming on tonight, after such short notice, i know that you did know four minutes ago you wouldn't be on tv talk to me about this. >> no problem, rachel, happy to join you. >> i'm not going to pressure you, of course, on your sourcing here. but i want to press you on your confidence in your sourcing. obviously, this is a very unusual, if not completely historically unprecedented leak. a document that purports to be the draft majority opinion of the supreme court, before they have issued any such ruling. can you tell us about your confidence in the authenticity of the document? >> we...

Justice has made him ruling, now let him enforce it. and that is, again, a sort of right wing man on a whitehorse fantasy about the kind of government and governing that they want. but it also shows that the court isn't in a safe position from the right, right now. and it's i think come under very serious scrutiny from the left, in terms of the ethics issue surrounding justice thomas and his wife, and her involvement in political issues related to cases before her husband in the court. the legitimacy of the court isn't just an academic thing, it's a question as to whether or not their rulings ...

Overruled. the constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision. one paragraph down from that it says,, quote, stare decisis, the basis on which it was -- unending adherence, to roe's abuse of judicial authority. it was egregiously wrong from the start, and the decision has had damaging consequences. if, in fact, this ruling survives, which is no reason to expect that it won at least in substance do so, from what we understand from mr. josh gerstein reporting tonight, this would have the effect of an acting letter so-called ...

Our understanding is that, you know, most of his republican colleagues want to go ahead and take down roe v. wade. that said, where the beginning of may here, and his final decision likely won't be published until the end of june, perhaps, even the beginning of july. so, it's fair to say that this is a situation that is unresolved at this point, and i can't promise you that various things may not change between now and late june. >> josh, in terms of the substance of this opinion, as written, i get news draft the majority opinion. with the caveat that this is a historically unprecedented lead ...

People figure know what the stakes are of their vote in november, in terms of the midterms, putting whichever party in control of the -- will among other things determine whether we're about to become a country that bans abortion nationwide. >> we should also just note, and obviously this is something you reported on as well as anyone on all of television. there is, i think 25 or 26 states that have trigger laws, that when roe is struck, down abortion becomes illegal that instant. you could be living in a state watching this right, now as a pregnant person, as someone planning on getting pregn...