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But whether they are trying to hide a campaign finance -- >> harry, they never made the payment. >> well, so that would go to whether it's an attempt or not. it would not vitiate conspiracy. and the main point of what's going on here is the hush money payment, not just to mcdougal, but to others. remember cohen says, well, we have to set up this whole organization, the cfo of trump organization could get hit by a bus. >> yeah. >> the issue is -- >> got to go, guys. make your point. go ahead, finish your point then i have to go. >> the only thing -- >> no, harry first. >> sorry. >> it's an over...

Organization could get hit by a bus. >> yeah. >> the issue is -- >> got to go, guys. make your point. go ahead, finish your point then i have to go. >> the only thing -- >> no, harry first. >> sorry. >> it's an overall conspiracy to pay hush money to someone who could harm the election prospects for him straightforwardly. >> quickly, michael, please. >> the only theoretical crime that's here is the possibility of failure to report a payment by ami for the influence of an election. >> all right. thank you both. >> wait for the sdny. they'll settle this. >> all right, harry. >> thank you, guys. ...