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>> what do you make of the stamps being made? >> i saw those. those are great. they should. >> and i want to talk about your book as well. it is called finding my voice, my journey to the west wing and the path forward. there was so much hope attached to the obama era. in part because of people like you. the elevation of an african-american him would, you come out of chicago and you are elevated to this influential position. does it feel now like that was almost a moment that floated into our lives but wasn't real? >> no, no, it feels very real. first of all, i was there eight years. so it was...