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That. and the idea of those who come here illegally, education credits and i find contrary to the nation of laws. >> mike: yeah, i guess he's screaming out, listen, iowa, i am a conservative, i am a conservative. but immediately, about an hour later, the dnc senior advisor for historic affairs. had there been any doubt in anyone's mind, romney's far right views on immigration would make him the most extreme, that would he veto the dream act if he were president is appalling. >> clayton: we talked about that a few weeks, the hispanic problem for republicans. karl rove talked about this. one are...

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But i mean, he had the hispanic vote locked up thanks to the republican primary season, so did he have to do this? no, he really didn't. look at the numbers of hispanic voters and then romney says well, this is very little, this is very late, he refuses to say that he would be doing anything differently than this policy. so it's sort of like that old joke about the food is terrible and the portions are so small. >> right. jonathan, melinda refers to the latest poll numbers show obama at hispanics, romney at 24%. i want to play some commentary from george will talking about the gop's hispanic p...

Has somebody that helps in a swang state. paul ryan, yes, romney still has a gender gap problem, a hispanic problem and maybe he tries that route. but if you want to play the longer game here, ryan checks a lot of those other boxes prits well. he's younger, you can make a fresh face argument. a lot of those things. i think ryan is on the short list all the way to the end and probably gets vetted. >> you know, andrea, first of all, chuck has convinced me. i was not always on board with that. chuck has convinced me of the rightness of that position. i would say look, to chuck's point about obama...