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>> sandra: it makes you wonder as we continue to learn some the details about this, nancy, where the red flags that were missed? we referenced the designer that said she was in the home and she discovered the secret room. we know that there is google earth images of this truck that was in the driveway multiple times that was described by people over the years as far back as 2010. were red flags missed and could this man have been caught sooner? >> many. many red flags were missed. i call it evidence. a witness saw amber castella, one of the original victims with a guy that matches heuermann's ...

Called men's race mens rea -- doing something knowingly. at the end of the day, moving around boxes in that timeframe and what made that evidence. it evidence is a consciousness of guilt. if you don't think anything -- in the box, what is the basis for moving them if you don't think you did anything wrong why do anything with the boxes at all? so what's troubling with respect to the obstruction of justice charge, when you look at the shifting and movement, and then of course it gives the special counsel reason to believe it was something amiss, which was the basis and purpose of them being mov...

The white house isn't just around the building, it radiates out in concentric circles. we see the benefit of that security structure today. while close, that truck did not get close enough to cause any type of damage or actually threaten the president's life in that moment. now, the secret service is investigating exactly what their law enforcement partners -- what happened and the motivation of this driver but right now it's safe to say that the security structure around the white house worked, the complex was safe and most importantly the president and the first family were safe. >> and, jon...

Back on the show. much has been made of the conspicuous absences that we have been seeing on the cpac guest list. some are calling it evidence of a split between the extremists on one side and the so-called normies in the gop, which i don't think there are any. do you think that is the right framing, or what is your understanding as to why we are seeing cpac become what it has become? >> well, ayman, it's so good to see you, thank you for having me back on. i think that republicans are in a massive identity crisis. they are in disarray, they are in ruin, and the problem for republicans is that...

Conspicuous absences that we have been seeing on the cpac guest list. some are calling it evidence of a split between the extremists on one side and the so-called normies in the gop, which i don't think there are any. do you think that is the right framing, or what is your understanding as to why we are seeing cpac become what it has become? >> well, ayman, it's so good to see you, thank you for having me back on. i think that republicans are in a massive identity crisis. they are in disarray, they are in ruin, and the problem for republicans is that these conspiracy theorists, these people wh...