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That appears to be the plan right now. >> well if this is a plan, they need better planning. they've done the obstruction number before, and it hasn't worked out very well for them. the real issue i think is the internal dynamics within the republican party, the fact that there are sensible members of party who realize you can't cut right now or else you go back into recession. but they have to deal with the tea party wing. and they have to deal with the party that is angry that feels that got rolled in the fiscal cliff negotiation and wants to roll the president, damn the cost. >> sam, would ...

Right now or else you go back into recession. but they have to deal with the tea party wing. and they have to deal with the part that is angry that feels they got rolled in the fiscal cliff negotiation and wants to roll the president, damn the cost. >> sam, would the congress let this sequester kick in and then come back and try to pass something their way? what do you think, just to save face? >> that might be the case. i did an interview with representative jim miranda of west virginia a couple of weeks ago where he predicted that is the outcome. where you do hit sequestration there is an ob...

Tea party wing. and they have to deal with the part that is angry that feels they got rolled in the fiscal cliff negotiation and wants to roll the president, damn the cost. >> sam, would the congress let this sequester kick in and then come back and try to pass something their way? what do you think, just to save face? >> that might be the case. i did an interview with representative jim miranda of west virginia a couple of weeks ago where he predicted that is the outcome. where you do hit sequestration there is an obvious and tangible economic blowback because of it. and congress sort of gets...

Creation, on immigration, a pathway to citizenship, or more border security. that's an issue that indicates that the 2014 campaign is already beginning. >> i was just going to say, i go back to the bobby jindal comment, where he said, washington has got to stop sounding like they're bookkeepers. >> right. and i think he's gotten so much attention for the stupid party, because that's a sound bite. but i think the more insightful comment he's made in the last few months is just that. it's the fact that all folks in the country see republicans talking about is some fiscal reference to some inside...

He's author of the book the other wes moore. thanks to boet of you for being here tonight. >> great to be here. >> nia, isn't it going to take more than a few classes at a two-day retreat to fix what's wrong with the gop? >> i think that's probably right. if you just look back at what has happened so far not only in the 2012 election, but in this last fiscal cliff deal, we know that there's a lot of distension in boehner's ranks. so here we are trying to figure out a way forward. there's a lot of disagreement about spending cuts and what they want to fight over. is it debt ceiling, is it seque...