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And anderson, one really important details caitlin polantz's reporting is that this is a new round of subpoenas. and this tells me that prosecutors, in what they had already gathered, saw something about this footage that made them say, hold on, there's a problem here. now we need to dig into this. >> what kind of evidence with would the special counsel needs in order to send out this latest round of subpoenas? >> so, they would need some evidence. they would need some bases basis to send the subpoenas. they would need some way indicating to them that either this footage was tampered with or w...

>> let's make a point that costello is a trump guy, he's a trump ally, sent by trump's team. he was a legal adviser to michael cohen, but there are motivations the team may see in costello's team. >> why didn't bragg try to block it testimony. if anything, perhaps allowing this to go forward, making the grand jury look like there's no reason to hide anything, you want to hear from a defense witness new york city problem. again, they're getting this driven by the prosecutor's team. the defense team is not even in the room for this. >> really interesting. so you are in west palm beach. i know th...

Talk to them. >> cipollone had an informal interview with committee back in april. is it clear whether it was under oath, whether the committee could disclose that publicly, whether he complies with a subpoena? >> none of that is clear, anderson. the committee has not made it clear as to what kind of conversation they had with cipollone. we're led to believe it was more informal, that he provided more background information that either corroborated or rolled back some of the testimony that they'd already heard. and we also know that testimony happened -- if you could even call it testimony -- ...

So, cipollone has long fought to be a key player in all of this, someone that was at the nexus of a lot of these decisions that were made in the trump administration and within the campaign and the time between the election and january 6th. and that's why the committee believes it is vital that they talk to him. >> cipollone had an informal interview with committee back in april. is it clear whether it was under oath, whether the committee could disclose that publicly, regardless of whether he complies with a subpoena? >> none of that is clear, frankly, anderson. the committee has not made it ...

Not. what are the litigatable claims. >> if he decides to testify, he does have a constitutional right to plead the fifth amendment. i suspect we may not hear a lot of testimony out of him. i think that is the middle grouped for him. when you saw the testimony given from general flynn, if you can call it testimony, he pled the fifth over and over and over again. so i suspect there will be a combination of one of two things, he will plead the fifth excessively or he will claim executive privilege athough the fifth is a better claim. his client was the white house, office of the white house, not...